Mark's Rant # 5 Oct. 30, 2007 Hillary and Declaring War

Hillary Video Below
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7007109937779036019&q=hillary+uncensored&total=150&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

As of this writing still no response from Congressman Walter "Chicken Strip" Jones R. NC District3.


Today's Rant addresses a comment made by a subscriber to rant number 4 below, and a response by Bob Austin. Good stuff. While subscriber clearly disagrees with me he did not cancel his subscribership yet. Also attached above is a Hillary Video sent in by Gary Stephens. It shows with friends like Bill and Hillary you don't have room for enemy's. I didn't realize you could get that far up under a bus.

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Subscribers comment: And when, exactly, did Congress declare the current war?

Mark's Rant: To the best of my knowledge Congress does not have to declare war. I have been trying to get in touch with Harry Truman and John Kennedy who started the Korean War and the Vietnam Wars respectively, but they are not returning my calls. Even old Billy Boy bombed Serbia. (See History Lesson below) When and where did the President not become the Commander in Chief? Too many Chiefs spoil the battle..

You have a point and I fully expected a shrewd legal mind like yours to pick up on the fact that Woody the Lib did get congress to declare war, while Bush only got an authorization by the Congress. I also expected dangling that bait would give me a chance to set the hook. While only Hillary probably had the testicular fortitude to vote for war on the lib side of the isle, Barack Hussein Obama has beat her, and most of the other top tier candidates like test pilots at the Flyback factory with their vote to authorize the President to take any actions necessary to defend the US.

Pretty Boy John (who can't carry his own state) is constantly tripping over his hair care products trying to get in front of Obama and compete for King of the diminishing testicles. To borrow from a good oldie, in the land of no girls, the neutered man is Queen.

Subscribers comment: With all due respect to the soldiers who are doing their duty, comparing the genesis and righteousness of the current conflict favorably with that of WWI really does not hold up. I don’t think a reasonable and historically accurate analogy can be made between the US’s actions in WWI and the US’s actions in Iraq during the Bush administration. In WWI we went to France to save them from the German invaders. The current analogy? Iran, Syria or Jordan comes to the aid of Iraq to repel the American invaders. We may be on the wrong side of the battle lines relative to WWI.


Mark's Rant: I'll let Bob take it from here, and I'll finish with a snappy comeback.


Bob Austin replies to Subscriber:
Wow...I guess Subscriber missed the entire point of Wilson's comment. The point is not the validity of the wars themselves. It is about a spineless idiot (Debs) thinking that he can separate the duty to country the soldiers felt at that time to ( in his mind ) the wrongful entry of the US into WWI. No one can tell me that the US soldiers in the middle east are not effected by the debate in THEIR COUNTRY, about THEIR DUTY TO THEIR COUNTRY. Here is part of Wilson's Declaration of War speech to Congress
"But the right is more precious than peace, and we shall fight for the things which we have always carried nearest our hearts,-for democracy, for the right of those who submit to authority to have a voice in their own Governments, for the rights and liberties of small nations, for a universal dominion of right by such a concert of free peoples as shall bring peace and safety to all nations and make the world itself at last free. To such a task we can dedicate our Eves and our fortunes, every thing that we are and everything that we have, with the pride of those who know that the day has come when America is privileged to spend her blood and her might for the principles that gave her birth and happiness and the peace which she has treasured. God helping her, she can do no other."Woodrow Wilson

In my opinion, this is pretty current. So much for no analogy.

In regards to a declaration of war in Iraq, there was none....just a majority vote to give the President the authority to go to war as Commander in Chief

Mark's Rant: Take that.

Today's History Lesson.
Despite the constitutional requirement that Congress declare war, in practice, formal Declarations of War have occurred only upon prior request by the President.
After World War II, Congress voluntarily limited its use of the power to declare war to issuing authorizations of force. The War Powers Resolution of 1973 (Pub.L. 93-148) limits the power of the President to wage war without the approval of the Congress. The United States of America has formally declared war against foreign nations five separate times
[edit] Formal declarations of war
The table below gives the five separate times that the United States has formally declared war against foreign nations. The only country against which the United States has declared war more than once is Germany, against which the United States has declared war twice (though a case could be made for Hungary as a successor state to Austria-Hungary). Each time the declaration was requested by the President either in writing or in person before a joint session of Congress.
In World War II, the Japanese had attacked Pearl Harbor on the previous day, December 7, 1941. On December 11, Hitler and Mussolini had already declared war on the United States before Congress declared war on them.[1][2]
War
Opponent
Declaration date ?
Vote
President
Peace Treaty
Senate
House
War of 1812
British Empire
June 18, 1812
19-13
79-49
Madison
Treaty of Ghent (December 24, 1814)
Mexican-American War
Mexico
May 11, 1846
40-2
174-14
Polk
Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo (February 2, 1848)
Spanish-American War
Spain
April 24, 1898
42-35
310-6
McKinley
Treaty of Paris (December 10, 1898)
World War I
Germany
April 4 & April 6, 1917
82-6
373-50
Wilson
Treaty of Berlin (August 25, 1921)
Austria-Hungary
December 7, 1917
74-0
365-1
Treaty of Trianon (in part)
World War II
Japan
December 8, 1941
82-0
388-1
F. Roosevelt, Truman
Treaty of San Francisco (September 8, 1951)
Germany
December 11, 1941
88-0
393-0
Treaty on the Final Settlement with Respect to Germany (September 12, 1990), Treaty of Vienna with Austria (May 15, 1955)
Italy
90-0
399-0
Paris Peace Treaty (February 10, 1947)
Bulgaria
June 5, 1942
73-0
357-0
Hungary
360-0
Romania
361-0

[edit] Military engagements authorized by Congress
Many times, the United States has engaged in extended military engagements that, while not formally declared wars, were explicitly authorized by Congress, short of a formal declaration of war.
War or conflict
Opponent(s)
Initial authorization
Votes
President
Conclusion
Senate
House
Quasi-War
France
1798
J. Adams
Convention of 1800 (Treaty of Mortefontaine)
First Barbary War
Barbary States
1801
Jefferson
Second Barbary War
Barbary States
1815
Madison
Raid of slave traffic
Africa
1820
Redress for attack on U.S. Navy vessel
Paraguay
1859
Buchanan
Intervention during the Russian Civil War
Bolshevist Russia
1918
Wilson
Protection of Lebanon
Rebels
1958
Eisenhower
Vietnam War
National Liberation Front, later Democratic Republic of Vietnam
Gulf of Tonkin Resolution, August 7, 1964
88-2
416-0
Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon
Peace agreement signed in Paris, January 1973
Multinational Force in Lebanon
Shia and Druze militias; Syria
September 29, 1983
54-46
253-156
Reagan
Force withdrew in 1984
Invasion of Panama, also known as Operation Just Cause
Panama Defense Force
December 20, 1989
George H.W. Bush
Manuel Noriega deposed
Persian Gulf War, also known as Operation Desert Storm
Iraq
January 12, 1991
52-47
250-183
The United Nations Security Council drew up terms for the cease-fire, April 3, 1991
2001 war in Afghanistan, also known as Operation Enduring Freedom
Taliban government of Afghanistan and al-Qaida
S.J. Res. 23September 14, 2001
98-0
420-1
George W. Bush
Ongoing
Iraq War, also known as Operation Iraqi Freedom
Iraq
H.J. Res. 114,October 16, 2002
77-23
296-133
Ongoing

[edit] United Nations resolutions
The Korean War was not a war authorized by the UP.SO. Congress. President Harry S. Truman cited authority under United Nations resolutions. Major US Military involvement began with Task Force Smith on July 5, 1950. A cease fire agreement was signed on July 27, 1953; however no formal treaty has been signed to this date.

[edit] Other undeclared wars
There are several undeclared "wars" missing from this list. The United States fought in Korea in 1870, the Philippine-American War from 1898-1903, and in Nicaragua in 1927.
The United State's longest war was fought between approximately 1840 and 1886 against the Apache Nation. During that entire 46-year period, there were never more than 90 days of "peace."
At least 28 conflicts and campaigns comprise the Indian Wars. These conflicts began with Europeans immigrating to North America long before the establishment of the United States of America. For the purpose of this discussion, the Indian Wars are defined as conflicts with the United States of America. They begin as one front in the American Revolutionary War in 1775 and are generally agreed upon as concluding with the surrender of the Apache chief Geronimo in 1886.

[edit] The War Powers Resolution
In 1973, following the withdrawal of most American troops from the Vietnam War, a debate emerged about the extent of presidential power in deploying troops without a declaration of war. A compromise in the debate was reached with the War Powers Resolution. This act clearly defined how many soldiers could be deployed by the President of the United States and for how long. It also required formal reports by the President to Congress regarding the status of such deployments, and limited the total amount of time that American forces could be employed without a formal declaration of war.
Although the constitutionality of the act has never been tested, it is usually followed, most notably during the Grenada Conflict, the Panamanian Conflict, the Somalia Conflict, the Gulf War, and the Iraq War. The only exception was President Clinton's use of U.S. troops in the 78-day NATO air campaign against Serbia during the Kosovo War. In all other cases, the President asserted the constitutional authority to commit troops without the necessity of Congressional approval, but in each case the President received Congressional authorization that satisfied the provisions of the War Powers Act.


From: Mark Hall [mailto:1rowdy@roadrunner.com] Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2007 9:26 PMTo: 1rowdy@adelphia.netSubject: Mark's Rants issue 4 Circulation of about 3 more than The Charltte Observer


This issue of Mark's rants includes a couple of guest contributors. Below is a passage from a book Bob Austin read. I'll rant after you read it. Further down the page is a video Kendall Polk sent to me. After reviewing it I found nothing objectionable and decided to include it along with another I found on the website.

Also attached for comedic relief, and to try and boost subscribers, is a very touching rendition of Hadji girl done by a brave marine in Iraq. Turn up your speakers and grab a box of tissue. Thank God they still have a sense of humor. Speaking of subscriber we are growing at a rapid pace thanks to you forwarding by you) to likeminded Americans. Why just last week Kendall invited his uncle to subscribe. We just haven't heard back yet.

Now for Bob's email:

Mark:

I always thought it interesting when someone says "I support the troops, not the war." That makes no sense. I just read a book called, "1920 The Year of Six Presidents" by David Pietrusza. There is a chapter in the book regarding Eugene Debs and his imprisonment for treason. He was a card carrying Socialist who promoted the ideas of the Russian revolution, and criticized Americas entry into World War I. He was convicted on 10 counts of sedition. Upon his entry in federal prison, many members of the Socialist Party petitioned Woodrow Wilson ( a very liberal Democrat ) to release him.

Wilson's response was ...."I will never consent to the pardon of this man". In addition, he said....

"While the flower of American youth was pouring out its blood to vindicate the cause of civilization, this man, Debs, stood behind the lines, sniping, attacking, and denouncing them. Before the war, he had a perfect right to exercise his freedom of speech and to express his own opinion, but once the Congress...declared war, silence on his part would have been the proper course to pursue. I know there will be a great deal of denunciation of me for refusing this pardon. They will say I am cold-blooded and indifferent, but it will make no impression on me. This man is a traitor to his country and he will never be pardoned during my administration."

Bob

Mark Rants: This week will be short and sweet. It's a damn good thing Woody is still not President or he would imprison over half the US Senate and all the candidates for President from 1 party and 1 from the other. He would also imprison that imposter Republican from NC District 3 Congressman Freedom Fry (aka Walter "Chicken Strip" Jones). If you need to refer back to issue 3 for names, be my guest. Old Woody was pretty tough for a Lib, my how times and Libs have changed.

By the way Congressman Chicken Strip never responded to my message to his website concerning his absolute cowardly and stupid response to the Rush Limbagh letter by Senator Harry "Surrender" Reid. I am still pretty sure why he didn't make it as a boxer.

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